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keithknight New Member Posts: 47	Roncevaux Nov 2, 2023 15:14:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by keithknight on Nov 2, 2023 15:14:50 GMT Listening to The Beatles 'Now and Then' and musing whether AI could now do a job on making Roncevaux a more enjoyable listening experience.

rodneysofa
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Roncevaux Nov 5, 2023 6:06:26 GMT

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Post by rodneysofa on Nov 5, 2023 6:06:26 GMT

Yes a real shame that Roncevaux was never properly recorded by VdGG.. maybe in some altered reality PH & Jaxon would patch things up and rerecord this song as a one off single.

Fans have to settle for old bootlegs I suppose: youtu.be/pL4l2g4j66w?feature=shared

The version by Gold Frankincense & Diskdrive (Parallel or 90 Degrees) has improved sound but the performance leaves me wanting to hear VdGG do it instead.

youtu.be/pKOfyxnWQNU?feature=shared

I suspect it might take years for AI to be able to emulate an artist like Peter Hammill in such a manner that gives me the same goosebumps and can raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Lighthouse Junior Member Posts: 96	Roncevaux Nov 6, 2023 18:49:05 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Lighthouse on Nov 6, 2023 18:49:05 GMT He he, I thought that too, is KI maybe one day able to improve the sound of all the old VdGG audience recordings, and turn them into little hifi wonders ...

Admin Administrator Posts: 198	Roncevaux Nov 8, 2023 8:34:47 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2023 8:34:47 GMT The re-mastered Time Vaults issued in 2008 is much better than the original. Phil. vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/timevaults.htm

peterpyser
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Roncevaux Nov 23, 2023 22:15:36 GMT

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Post by peterpyser on Nov 23, 2023 22:15:36 GMT

Nov 8, 2023 8:34:47 GMT Admin said:

The re-mastered Time Vaults issued in 2008 is much better than the original.

Phil.
vandergraafgenerator.co.uk/timevaults.htm

I don't think so:

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Analyzed: Van der Graaf Generator / Time Vaults (1992)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR11 -0.06 dB -14.24 dB 5:24 01-The Liquidator

DR13 -0.78 dB -16.14 dB 4:40 02-Rift Valley

DR12 -0.98 dB -15.33 dB 2:10 03-Tarzan

DR13 -0.81 dB -15.46 dB 4:13 04-Coil Night

DR9 -1.36 dB -14.36 dB 3:33 05-Time Vaults

DR9 -1.99 dB -16.63 dB 2:41 06-Drift (I Hope It Won't)

DR9 -0.81 dB -12.75 dB 6:55 07-Roncevaux

DR9 -1.07 dB -12.00 dB 4:08 08-It All Went Up

DR10 -1.87 dB -13.64 dB 2:46 09-Faint and Forsaken

DR8 -3.93 dB -14.98 dB 8:52 10-Black Room

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Number of tracks: 10

Official DR value: DR10

Samplerate: 44100 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 16

Bitrate: 728 kbps

Codec: FLAC

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Analyzed: Van der Graaf Generator / Time Vaults (2008)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track

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DR7 -0.20 dB -8.85 dB 5:25 01-The Liquidator

DR7 -0.20 dB -8.85 dB 4:40 02-Rift Valley

DR7 -0.20 dB -8.91 dB 2:10 03-Tarzan

DR7 -0.20 dB -8.21 dB 4:13 04-Coil Night

DR4 -0.20 dB -7.21 dB 3:33 05-Time Vaults

DR5 -0.20 dB -8.81 dB 2:41 06-Drift (I hope it won't)

DR5 -0.20 dB -6.86 dB 6:56 07-Roncevaux

DR5 -0.20 dB -6.11 dB 4:08 08-It All Went Up

DR6 -0.20 dB -7.77 dB 2:48 09-Faint And Forsaken

DR6 -0.20 dB -8.66 dB 8:50 10-Black Room

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Number of tracks: 10

Official DR value: DR6

Samplerate: 44100 Hz

Channels: 2

Bits per sample: 16

Bitrate: 874 kbps

Codec: FLAC

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ManErg Guest	Roncevaux Nov 26, 2023 10:36:46 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by ManErg on Nov 26, 2023 10:36:46 GMT And the live version from 1972 www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4l2g4j66w is wonderful!

Post by keithknight on Nov 2, 2023 15:14:50 GMT

Post by rodneysofa on Nov 5, 2023 6:06:26 GMT

Post by Lighthouse on Nov 6, 2023 18:49:05 GMT

Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2023 8:34:47 GMT

Post by peterpyser on Nov 23, 2023 22:15:36 GMT

Post by ManErg on Nov 26, 2023 10:36:46 GMT

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