noamn
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Post by noamn on Feb 21, 2021 16:59:48 GMT
The discussion about this song that started with the Hugh Banton radio interview led me to share a few musical insights to this seemingly simple song.
First of all, for the first three and a half minutes, all one hears is a variety of major chords (I wouldn't be surprised if Peter managed to include all twelve major chords in the song). It isn't until he hits the words "how could you let it happen" that the disappointment of the words is matched by the music, turning into a minor scale. The final verse is a mixture of optimism ('dreams, hopes and promises') over major chords and disappointment ('but still you don't understand how it feels') over minor chords. The coda is simply two minor chords repeated.
Secondly, the rhythm at the beginning is somewhat odd: a bar of four beats, one of two beats and then another two bars, each of four beats each. This pattern repeats for most of the verse sections. For the discerning, this same rhythm is used in 'The Sleepwalkers'; it's fairly clear in the final verse of that song, but it also occurs in the opening verses. This rhythm is disguised somewhat as the band invoke a fast, ternary, rhythm that masks the bar lines, but it's the same as the final verse, which is now in a straight 4/4 time signature.
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Post by fuzzwah on Feb 21, 2021 19:04:04 GMT
Yawn.....sorry, you were saying?
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Post by longhello on Feb 22, 2021 15:02:11 GMT
Where are the insights?
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noamn
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Post by noamn on Feb 23, 2021 5:44:06 GMT
1. The fact that the quality of the chords (major/minor) matches the mood of the song - optimism = major chords, pessimism = minor chords 2. The odd metric layout of the verses. Instead of what one might expect, several bars of 4/4, certain bars are shortened to match the rhythm of the words and not the other way around.
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Post by mj on Feb 25, 2021 2:58:47 GMT
In relation to the use of major / minor chords in the song, you are perceptive enough to have noticed that. I wouldn't have though, not really being musically trained.
Having said that, it's probably something PH (and the others) wasn't even conscious of doing at the time. I expect he was doing what just musically seemed right, what seemed to work best.
It's not uncommon though in music to have major and minor chords together ?
(For example, the C Am F G chord sequence).
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Post by joenuttall on Mar 16, 2021 12:58:23 GMT
Noamn - great timing for your observation. Did you see that Peter Hammill wrote on the subject of switching to a Minor key (key not chords) to fit in with the change of tone in the lyrics in the sleeve notes for the upcoming covers album? So, yes, he most definitely does this sort of thing on purpose!
I myself recently wrote a song in a Minor key that on purpose uses all Major chords (apart from the root) and uses all bar one of them, precisely for the effect it gives.
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Post by noamn on Mar 21, 2021 12:01:20 GMT
At the risk of boring some of you ... MJ wrote: "It's not uncommon though in music to have major and minor chords together ?" - Of course, not. There are sequences that use both major and minor chords in a standard manner - 'Refugees' is an obvious example - where the minor chords are what might be termed 'scalar', i.e. they are derived directly from the scale.
What caught my attention in 'My room' is that *every chord* (until the given switch) is a major chord; the change to a minor chord which is *not* scalar thus becomes very dramatic. This is known as 'prosody' or 'chord painting' and I'm sure that the band was very much aware of the effect.
Another song composed entirely of major chords (but intriguingly, not the dominant chord) is 'Darkness'. All this goes to show that VdGG's music can't be analysed with the same tools used to analyse classical music from the 'common practice' period and that some songs lack a 'directed' chord sequence. 'Refugees' for example is composed of a standard chord sequence whereas 'Darkness' has chords that could be considered to be 'jammed together' as one chord does not classically lead to the one following it.
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